Talk:Navan Fort

On 18 July 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Navan Fort to Emain Macha. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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There seems to be a mixture of old and modern Irish Gaelic here. The article heading is Emain Macha, which is an old Irish term, followed by Ulaid also Old Irish (The modern terms are Eamhain Macha and Ulaidh which contain the necessary aspiration). However people's names are in modern Irish - Conchobhar - Concobar.

"Conchobar" is the Old Irish form - ch was already part of the orthography, but other mutations like bh weren't yet marked, altough they were spoken. Intervocalic c would have been pronounced like a g. --Nicknack009 00:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this article under the Old Irish spelling? Given that this is the English Wikipedia, surely it should be under Navan Fort? I propose moving it. Cripipper 15:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Visitors centre not closed

Article states, that the visitors centre was closed at 2001, however I visited the site in July 2006 and there is a very modern visitors centre nearby with multimedia information, tourist shop etc. --Gorn 19:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It did close in 2001, but I'm glad to hear it's reopened. A visit would be in order... --Nicknack009 19:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A quick Google discovers a BBC news item that says it reopened last year, unfortunately only on a seasonal basis, so I can't go till next April. Info and links added to the article. --Nicknack009 19:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The trumpets

Numerous sources report that a set of magnificent ancient bronze trumpets was found at Navan Fort. Please add some information to the article. 174.24.5.43 (talk) 05:23, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The trumpets are from Loughnashade, near to, but not at, Navan Fort. European Prehistorian (talk) 12:39, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 18 July 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus

Two editors (in addition to the proposer) support the move, though neither provides additional reasons. Two editors oppose the move, with reasons.

The crux of the discussion is which name is more recognizable (no participant having suggested any other WP:CRITERIA to be material). The proposer provides some evidence that the proposed new name is more common in published writing, but the RSs cited in opposition suggest that the current name may be more common among non-experts. Accordingly, there is no consensus. (non-admin closure) Havelock Jones (talk) 23:43, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Navan Fort → Emain Macha – More commonly used and WP:RECOGNIZABLE name for this place. See NGRAMS results; also more common on Google Scholar (t · c) buidhe 06:02, 18 July 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Vpab15 (talk) 20:48, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Ngrams are not sacrosanct. The English name is primary in the publicity brochure, the government website, the BBC, The Irish Times, the company that fitted its heritage centre, Current Archaeology, Heritage Island, etc, etc. It's far more recognisable in English than Emain Macha. Many of the Google Books references to the latter refer to works about Irish mythology and history, not to the physical site, which is what this article is about. Emain Macha was the name of the historical/mythical capital; Navan Fort, however, is the common name of the site today. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:22, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- That's simply not accurate, nor is it a reasonable distinction given that the topic covers all aspects, history, mythology, and present-day. If you think there are separate topics for "Emain Macha" and "Navan Fort" (contrary to many sources listing them as synonyms) the solution would be a split, not disregarding the common and recognizable name. Most of the Google Scholar results are in reference to the physical location, as are Google Books results. (t · c) buidhe 05:40, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't think there should be separate articles. But the site is clearly commonly referred to as Navan Fort. And that is the most recognisable name for it. I have seen no evidence to the contrary. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:49, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Ireland has been notified of this discussion. Vpab15 (talk) 20:48, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Northern Ireland has been notified of this discussion. Vpab15 (talk) 20:48, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:17, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Mythology has been notified of this discussion. — Shibbolethink ^(♔ ^♕) 02:05, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This is the English-language Wiki. The re-direct is adequate for scholars; for the great unwashed, English is preferable. Laurel Lodged (talk) 09:48, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Spleodrach (talk) 14:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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